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		<title>By: hesham abbas</title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/10/05/why-we-owe-israel-our-support/#comment-247</link>
		<author>hesham abbas</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 16:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: fight &#187; Why We Owe Israel Our Support</title>
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		<author>fight &#187; Why We Owe Israel Our Support</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 06:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: israel &#187; Why We Owe Israel Our Support</title>
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		<author>israel &#187; Why We Owe Israel Our Support</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Austin</title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/10/05/why-we-owe-israel-our-support/#comment-123</link>
		<author>Dave Austin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 13:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Peacemonger", your handle is an interesting oxymoron (peace: contentment and the absence of hostility; monger: A person promoting something undesirable or discreditable), I'm not sure you understand the nature of peace.

You cannot promote peace because peace is not something that you make.  Rather it is something you experience ... kind of like charity, or an emotion.  It is the ends, not the means to the ends.  In other words, at best you can only promote a moral approach to life that will result in peace - but that isn't even the most important dynamic about peace.

The most important dynamic about experiencing peace is that it depends solely on yourself.  As long as you look to others to make you peaceful you will always be disappointed, and that is why the Palestinian people will never be at peace.  That is precisely why the whole Middle East region has been a war zone for as long as time has existed.  That is also the primary reason why even without Israel's existence the prospects for peace over there is so bleak.

We all have a moral imperative - and it is personally from following that imperative where inner peace results, and so I can no more bestow peace upon the Palestinian than I can force him to bestow peace upon me.  It can only come from within.  My moral imperative is that I pay penance where penance is due.  As an American I believe that to be true with regard to the debt we owe to the American Indian - which debt I believe is fairly compensated with programs already in place.  We also owe debt to the African American - which I also believe is being fairly compensated, or at least we're working toward it (incidentally, I see no such programs in any other country).  In both those cases I think that the programs can and occasionally have had a deleterious effect on those peoples, and so we constantly need to re-evaluate the situation.  At some point I also believe that penance or debt is paid, though for inner peace it is necessary to err on the side of safety.

I also feel this debt to the millions of Jews that were slaughtered which slaughter could have been greatly reduced were it not for good old American bigotry.  Although I find your claims of the genocide as instigated by Jews ludicrous, even if they were true my moral imperative would still be unchanged because my imperative is based on what I owe, not on what others deserve.  Whether the Jews deserve it or not is not the issue for peace enabling activities.  I am further convinced that world peace can only be experienced in this manner.  Palestinian efforts that expect peace to come from without (instead of within) based on policies of aggression have always failed and they will always fail.

Admittedly, the US has done a lot of damage in a lot of places and it has resulted in many undeserved deaths, but as I mentioned above I know of no other country that makes a greater effort to voluntarily pay a penance for such wrongdoings.  Even in the event of Flight 655 that you mentioned, Iran dropped the incident after reparations were made (Dec 12, 2006 international court).

I am also confident that the only hope for middle-east peace is that the various ethnic and religious groups also follow life-promoting moral imperatives.  Instead we observe imperatives based on self-serving principles that have little regard for the lives of others - whether that be a suicide bomber or the women and children they target.

Though doubtlessly, a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still - and I'm sure I haven't even been successful in my effort to convince you of your cognitive error.  I only hope that others who read this, being an objective third party, could see the error and choose for themselves a "what penances do I owe" approach that will result in their own peace and ultimately influence the peace of those around them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->&#8220;Peacemonger&#8221;, your handle is an interesting oxymoron (peace: contentment and the absence of hostility; monger: A person promoting something undesirable or discreditable), I&#8217;m not sure you understand the nature of peace.</p>
<p>You cannot promote peace because peace is not something that you make.  Rather it is something you experience &#8230; kind of like charity, or an emotion.  It is the ends, not the means to the ends.  In other words, at best you can only promote a moral approach to life that will result in peace - but that isn&#8217;t even the most important dynamic about peace.</p>
<p>The most important dynamic about experiencing peace is that it depends solely on yourself.  As long as you look to others to make you peaceful you will always be disappointed, and that is why the Palestinian people will never be at peace.  That is precisely why the whole Middle East region has been a war zone for as long as time has existed.  That is also the primary reason why even without Israel&#8217;s existence the prospects for peace over there is so bleak.</p>
<p>We all have a moral imperative - and it is personally from following that imperative where inner peace results, and so I can no more bestow peace upon the Palestinian than I can force him to bestow peace upon me.  It can only come from within.  My moral imperative is that I pay penance where penance is due.  As an American I believe that to be true with regard to the debt we owe to the American Indian - which debt I believe is fairly compensated with programs already in place.  We also owe debt to the African American - which I also believe is being fairly compensated, or at least we&#8217;re working toward it (incidentally, I see no such programs in any other country).  In both those cases I think that the programs can and occasionally have had a deleterious effect on those peoples, and so we constantly need to re-evaluate the situation.  At some point I also believe that penance or debt is paid, though for inner peace it is necessary to err on the side of safety.</p>
<p>I also feel this debt to the millions of Jews that were slaughtered which slaughter could have been greatly reduced were it not for good old American bigotry.  Although I find your claims of the genocide as instigated by Jews ludicrous, even if they were true my moral imperative would still be unchanged because my imperative is based on what I owe, not on what others deserve.  Whether the Jews deserve it or not is not the issue for peace enabling activities.  I am further convinced that world peace can only be experienced in this manner.  Palestinian efforts that expect peace to come from without (instead of within) based on policies of aggression have always failed and they will always fail.</p>
<p>Admittedly, the US has done a lot of damage in a lot of places and it has resulted in many undeserved deaths, but as I mentioned above I know of no other country that makes a greater effort to voluntarily pay a penance for such wrongdoings.  Even in the event of Flight 655 that you mentioned, Iran dropped the incident after reparations were made (Dec 12, 2006 international court).</p>
<p>I am also confident that the only hope for middle-east peace is that the various ethnic and religious groups also follow life-promoting moral imperatives.  Instead we observe imperatives based on self-serving principles that have little regard for the lives of others - whether that be a suicide bomber or the women and children they target.</p>
<p>Though doubtlessly, a person convinced against their will is of the same opinion still - and I&#8217;m sure I haven&#8217;t even been successful in my effort to convince you of your cognitive error.  I only hope that others who read this, being an objective third party, could see the error and choose for themselves a &#8220;what penances do I owe&#8221; approach that will result in their own peace and ultimately influence the peace of those around them.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: Peacemonger</title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/10/05/why-we-owe-israel-our-support/#comment-117</link>
		<author>Peacemonger</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nonsense that Israel's existence is illegal? I think not. The illegal settlements that continue to encroach upon Palestinian land are not nonsense. The fact that Israel is the only state that refuses to define its borders is not nonsense. Nor the fact that it continues to thumb its nose at 70 UN resolutions, and refuses to end a military siege and occupation of a whole people in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, performing its own slow genocide and ethnic cleansing to illegal further its expansionist aims. And for this its supported by $15 million a day - Israel only constitutes 0.02% of the world's population, yet receives a third of America's total aid. A renegade, rogue, apartheid state that keeps the native Palestinians in open-air prisons. Never again? Palestinians had nothing to do with the European Judaeocide. And why aren't Dafurians or Burmese as deserving of our aid and attention?

The Holocaust industry and playing upon guilt is a scam, as exposed by several scholars, including Norman Finkelstein. We are in dangers of losing the real lesson of the Shoah, by perpetrating new genocides against Semites (Iraqis, Palestinians, Lebanese). Israel hasn't been overtly threatened or attacked. But it has attacked its neighbors -- Lebanon, Palestine, Syria -- repeatedly, wilfully, and with devastating consequences. Do a few captured soldiers warrant destroying an entire nation's civilian infrastructure? Of course not.

In 1988, US forces shot down an unarmed civilian Iranian Airbus, Iran Air Flight 655, on July 3 1988 — killing all 290 Iranian men, women and children on board. After initially claiming it was in self-defense, the Reagan administration shushed it up — just how many of us remember the name USS Vincennes? Now that serves as a model of diplomatic restraint.

The US government paid reparations to Iran, eventually, but never apologized.

Look it up for yourself if you don't know already know about it. And lest we forget Israel's attacks on the US -- the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty.

Jews deserve our support. Arabs deserve out support. But Israel deserves censure. And invoking the Holocaust just won't do to justify its abhorrent, unjustifiable behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Nonsense that Israel&#8217;s existence is illegal? I think not. The illegal settlements that continue to encroach upon Palestinian land are not nonsense. The fact that Israel is the only state that refuses to define its borders is not nonsense. Nor the fact that it continues to thumb its nose at 70 UN resolutions, and refuses to end a military siege and occupation of a whole people in the Occupied Palestinian Territories, performing its own slow genocide and ethnic cleansing to illegal further its expansionist aims. And for this its supported by $15 million a day - Israel only constitutes 0.02% of the world&#8217;s population, yet receives a third of America&#8217;s total aid. A renegade, rogue, apartheid state that keeps the native Palestinians in open-air prisons. Never again? Palestinians had nothing to do with the European Judaeocide. And why aren&#8217;t Dafurians or Burmese as deserving of our aid and attention?</p>
<p>The Holocaust industry and playing upon guilt is a scam, as exposed by several scholars, including Norman Finkelstein. We are in dangers of losing the real lesson of the Shoah, by perpetrating new genocides against Semites (Iraqis, Palestinians, Lebanese). Israel hasn&#8217;t been overtly threatened or attacked. But it has attacked its neighbors &#8212; Lebanon, Palestine, Syria &#8212; repeatedly, wilfully, and with devastating consequences. Do a few captured soldiers warrant destroying an entire nation&#8217;s civilian infrastructure? Of course not.</p>
<p>In 1988, US forces shot down an unarmed civilian Iranian Airbus, Iran Air Flight 655, on July 3 1988 — killing all 290 Iranian men, women and children on board. After initially claiming it was in self-defense, the Reagan administration shushed it up — just how many of us remember the name USS Vincennes? Now that serves as a model of diplomatic restraint.</p>
<p>The US government paid reparations to Iran, eventually, but never apologized.</p>
<p>Look it up for yourself if you don&#8217;t know already know about it. And lest we forget Israel&#8217;s attacks on the US &#8212; the deliberate attack on the USS Liberty.</p>
<p>Jews deserve our support. Arabs deserve out support. But Israel deserves censure. And invoking the Holocaust just won&#8217;t do to justify its abhorrent, unjustifiable behavior.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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