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		<title>By: <![CDATA[truegenius]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-29</link>
		<author><![CDATA[truegenius]]></author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2007 06:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-29</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the info.  I'll keep in touch.  Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks for the info.  I&#8217;ll keep in touch.  Cheers!<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[LullabyMan]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-28</link>
		<author><![CDATA[LullabyMan]]></author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 21:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-28</guid>
		<description>Here's some good links:
http://www.solardev.com/SEIA-makingelec.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy
http://www.solel.com/products/pgeneration/ls2/kramerjunction/

What the US needs is a lobbying group similar to ESTIF (http://www.estif.org/3.0.html).  Unfortunately no such thing exists for the US as far as I can tell.

The ESTIF has outlined what needs to change to make the viability of Solar Thermal to stand out (again, see http://www.estif.org/3.0.html).  Summarized these things are:
1) Energy statistics to fully show solar thermal. The current metrics the government uses to measure viability are screwed up, but with proper metrics like $/Watt, and readiness metrics, Solar Thermal ends up on top.
2) Testing and Certification needs to be standardized.
3) All the true costs of the alternatives are not being considered.  This needs to change.
4) The Government needs to establish minimums and provide industries with the information they need to correctly asses how solar thermal can meet those minimums as compared to other energy sources.

Another thing is to contact the PR departments of solel and other solar thermal players and ask from a concerned citizen's point of view how you can help.  You might get a blank stare, or on the otherhand, maybe you'll get offered a new job as a grassroots effort organizer.

Good luck!  Tell me how it turns out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Here&#8217;s some good links:<br />
<a href="http://www.solardev.com/SEIA-makingelec.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.solardev.com/SEIA-makingelec.php</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_thermal_energy</a><br />
<a href="http://www.solel.com/products/pgeneration/ls2/kramerjunction/" rel="nofollow">http://www.solel.com/products/pgeneration/ls2/kramerjunction/</a></p>
<p>What the US needs is a lobbying group similar to ESTIF (http://www.estif.org/3.0.html).  Unfortunately no such thing exists for the US as far as I can tell.</p>
<p>The ESTIF has outlined what needs to change to make the viability of Solar Thermal to stand out (again, see <a href="http://www.estif.org/3.0.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.estif.org/3.0.html</a>).  Summarized these things are:<br />
1) Energy statistics to fully show solar thermal. The current metrics the government uses to measure viability are screwed up, but with proper metrics like $/Watt, and readiness metrics, Solar Thermal ends up on top.<br />
2) Testing and Certification needs to be standardized.<br />
3) All the true costs of the alternatives are not being considered.  This needs to change.<br />
4) The Government needs to establish minimums and provide industries with the information they need to correctly asses how solar thermal can meet those minimums as compared to other energy sources.</p>
<p>Another thing is to contact the PR departments of solel and other solar thermal players and ask from a concerned citizen&#8217;s point of view how you can help.  You might get a blank stare, or on the otherhand, maybe you&#8217;ll get offered a new job as a grassroots effort organizer.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[truegenius]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-26</link>
		<author><![CDATA[truegenius]]></author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-26</guid>
		<description>Yes, it's a sad reality how politics work in this country and the hoops we must jump through to get anything accomplished.  I think we're moving down the wrong road and our foot print will not be lessened by much, if at all, with all of these so called "alternatives" we are embracing.

We need someone with billions to starting ranting on truly viable solutions - like the troughs - to bring more attention to it - like Gore does on the not so vaible alternatives.  I want it to move past simply being hip to be Green.  I surely didn't know anything about these troughs until I stumbled upon this blog.

I've been researching the troughs more.  Can you suggest additional resources to find easy to understand information?  I'm joining the movement on my end and will begin writing legislatures and posts on my blog and to my family and friends.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yes, it&#8217;s a sad reality how politics work in this country and the hoops we must jump through to get anything accomplished.  I think we&#8217;re moving down the wrong road and our foot print will not be lessened by much, if at all, with all of these so called &#8220;alternatives&#8221; we are embracing.</p>
<p>We need someone with billions to starting ranting on truly viable solutions - like the troughs - to bring more attention to it - like Gore does on the not so vaible alternatives.  I want it to move past simply being hip to be Green.  I surely didn&#8217;t know anything about these troughs until I stumbled upon this blog.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been researching the troughs more.  Can you suggest additional resources to find easy to understand information?  I&#8217;m joining the movement on my end and will begin writing legislatures and posts on my blog and to my family and friends.</p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[An More Inconvenient Truth &#171; LullabyMan]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-30</link>
		<author><![CDATA[An More Inconvenient Truth &#171; LullabyMan]]></author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 18:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-30</guid>
		<description>[...] with little regard from the governments where the best, cheapest, and fastest implementations exist. I mentioned this in my last post, but I could go so much further. The alternative industry funds are controlled by lobbyists. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->[&#8230;] with little regard from the governments where the best, cheapest, and fastest implementations exist. I mentioned this in my last post, but I could go so much further. The alternative industry funds are controlled by lobbyists. [&#8230;]<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[LullabyMan]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-27</link>
		<author><![CDATA[LullabyMan]]></author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 19:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-27</guid>
		<description>Yeah, Germany has their heart in the right place which is a lot more than I can say for the USofA.  Truth is though that PV will never make a dent in our oil consumption - the math just doesn't work.  IMO it's a waste of a nations resources to invest in non-viable solutions and it deprives viable alternatives from the attention and resources they need to truly make a difference.  Parabolic trough technology simply isn't viable on a small farm basis - it must be wholly embraced by governments in order to meet the requirements necessary to really pay off.  That means money - money that is being wasted on PV solar.

It's all about politics.  PV solar is a cheap and easy way for politicians to placate the masses - enacting laws to promote PV solar adoption by consumers is easy and cheap.  Politicians also wrongly assume PV shifts the cost burden to the consumer instead of the government.  They are dead wrong - the math for PV solar simply doesn't work.  The manufacturing processes alone simply do not make it feasible as a viable solution in any way whatsoever.  This vital piece of information is what's missing in the public dialog today.  Solar thermal, not Solar PV, along with some help from wind, is the only viable solution - and the technology is ready today ... at grid-competitive rates if not grid-busting rates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Yeah, Germany has their heart in the right place which is a lot more than I can say for the USofA.  Truth is though that PV will never make a dent in our oil consumption - the math just doesn&#8217;t work.  IMO it&#8217;s a waste of a nations resources to invest in non-viable solutions and it deprives viable alternatives from the attention and resources they need to truly make a difference.  Parabolic trough technology simply isn&#8217;t viable on a small farm basis - it must be wholly embraced by governments in order to meet the requirements necessary to really pay off.  That means money - money that is being wasted on PV solar.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about politics.  PV solar is a cheap and easy way for politicians to placate the masses - enacting laws to promote PV solar adoption by consumers is easy and cheap.  Politicians also wrongly assume PV shifts the cost burden to the consumer instead of the government.  They are dead wrong - the math for PV solar simply doesn&#8217;t work.  The manufacturing processes alone simply do not make it feasible as a viable solution in any way whatsoever.  This vital piece of information is what&#8217;s missing in the public dialog today.  Solar thermal, not Solar PV, along with some help from wind, is the only viable solution - and the technology is ready today &#8230; at grid-competitive rates if not grid-busting rates.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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		<title>By: <![CDATA[truegenius]]></title>
		<link>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-25</link>
		<author><![CDATA[truegenius]]></author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 21:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://whorledview.com/2007/05/02/the-most-viable-energy-solution/#comment-25</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the lesson on solar troughs.  I am one of the
'squat' that didn't know about this technology.  Now I will read up much more on this and start advocating for it.  It makes complete sense.  We have plenty of arid desert land that sits empty where these trough plants could be build to produce clean energy - as your map indicates.

I also feel the same that we are seeking alternative energy generation from the wrong sources: flourescent lights, hydrogen cell fueled cars, etc. We are advocating to "transfer addictions" so to speak by replacing one beast with another rather than focusing on developing real solutions.

I just saw a documentary on PBS about Germany paying their citizens to farm solor panels literally on farms and the solar-PVs on homes on a grand scale.  They may have discussed these troughs on the acres of farms that farm energy, I don't recall the difference, however.  The point is, Germany is doing on a large scale what America says is not possible. Germany gets it.

Thanks again for the energy lesson.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- google_ad_section_start -->Thanks for the lesson on solar troughs.  I am one of the<br />
&#8217;squat&#8217; that didn&#8217;t know about this technology.  Now I will read up much more on this and start advocating for it.  It makes complete sense.  We have plenty of arid desert land that sits empty where these trough plants could be build to produce clean energy - as your map indicates.</p>
<p>I also feel the same that we are seeking alternative energy generation from the wrong sources: flourescent lights, hydrogen cell fueled cars, etc. We are advocating to &#8220;transfer addictions&#8221; so to speak by replacing one beast with another rather than focusing on developing real solutions.</p>
<p>I just saw a documentary on PBS about Germany paying their citizens to farm solor panels literally on farms and the solar-PVs on homes on a grand scale.  They may have discussed these troughs on the acres of farms that farm energy, I don&#8217;t recall the difference, however.  The point is, Germany is doing on a large scale what America says is not possible. Germany gets it.</p>
<p>Thanks again for the energy lesson.<!-- google_ad_section_end --></p>
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